[bksvol-discuss] Re: Got feedback and need help to follow suggestions
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 23:30:59 -0700
Hi, Lori, my screen reader is Jaws 11 and when I open a file for
proofreading, it's in MS Word 2003. While I'm listening to Jaws reading the
file to me, my BrailleNote mPower 32 is connected to my computer via serial
port and it's in terminal mode which means what the screen reader reads
appears on my BrailleNote's Braille display. I follow along with my fingers
while Jaws reads the file to me. That way, I see that a closing quotation
mark looks different (and I discover I have to remove tabs) (Actually, Rick
Costa told me I didn't have to do that and the Bookshare tools gets rid of
them, but I'm a weird duck and prefer to get rid of stuff I can before
Bookshare gets its tools on it, so to speak.). I fell into this method of
proofreading by accident when Misha scanned a Lee Killough book for me. I
couldn't figure out how to make my BrailleNote recognize the rtf file so
opened the file on my computer and followed along on my Braille display as I
described above. So far it seems to work okay for me. What do you do? Have
you access to Braille when you proofread? Regards, Kim.
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Got feedback and need help to follow
suggestions
Hi, Kim,
Do you proofread in Word? Do you use JAWS or Window Eyes? And do you use a
braille display in conjunction to speech?
I don't think I can add anything general to what Tracy has said, and she has
made very specific comments, but I'm just interested in how you proofread.
Lori C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:09 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Got feedback and need help to follow
suggestions
> Hi, Tracy, well I'm going to save your message and I can tell you that
> it's a mystery to me as to how this happened because I thought
> everything was correct. Jaws didn't tell me about huge letters in a
> word nor do I know anything about paragraph marks and as for garbage
> characters, I thought I removed them. I have a feeling I don't care a
> fig about the visual stuff as I can't see them, but I think a sighted
> person who does see that can get rid of that with my blessing so that
> Jack of Kinrowan can be a better-looking file. I'll ask for this to be
> done if anyone is willing to do what I right now don't know how to do.
> Regards, Kim
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy
> Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:42 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Got feedback and need help to follow
> suggestions
>
> Hi Kim.
> Well, here goes. I proofread in Word, like you, and I use Jaws.
> Don't know what you use.
>
>>Important:
>>1. Chapter 12 begins on page 118. Chapter 14 begins on page 140.
>>But there's no chapter that is marked Chapter 13.
>
> You could only tell this by either reading the whole book, or by
> searching for the word Chapter and making sure they are all present and
correct.
>
>>2. Font sizes
>
> In Jaws (and NVDA), insert-f will tell you the font. I usually
> spot-check a few. If a font is wrong, select the text, hit alt-o for
> the format menu.
> Font is the first dialog. Hit enter, tab twice to size, and adjust it
> to what you think it should be.
> You could select the entire document and change the font size, but
> then you lose the differences in font size between the headers and the
> body of the text.
>
>>Trivial (as in: don't worry about it!)
>
>>1. the 3rd page of the file is still an upper case Roman numeral "III".
>
> So?
>
>>2. no page number on p. 34.
>
> Page through the whole book and make sure all pages in the body of the
> text have numbers. Title pages, contents, dedication, and such often
> do not have numbers, and I leave them like that. It's not my place as
> a proofreader to add numbers that aren't there, except where they're
> omitted on the first page of a chapter.
>
>
>>3. there are several tab characters in the file.
>
> In Word, you can find and replace on tab characters. Find ^t, and
> manually
> delete it, or:
> Do control-h to open find and replace. Tab to More and hit enter. Tab to
> Special and arrow down until you find the character you're interested in.
> Hit enter. Then you can tab to the replace box and either put in a space
> or
> leave it blank. Then, if you're bold, you can choose Replace All!
>
> This statement isn't actually true though, I think. Some tables are
> delimited by tabs, and removing all tabs, as Rick suggests, would make a
> mess.
>
>
>>4. a number of the chapter headings have numbers whose "Position" has
> been "lowered", rather than having "normal" positioning. The numbers
> appear
> as if they are subscript, but they are not subscript. One must go to the
> "Character Spacing" tab of the Font dialog to see this. Examples of this
> are for the chapter headings of chapters 2, 5, 6 and 12.
>
> Beats me, and I don't care.
>
>>5. also for many of the chapter headings, the word "Chapter" is in
> "Small Caps", which we do not want.
>
> Hitting insert-numpad 5 in Jaws twice quickly will spell any word, and
> will
> raise pitch of any capital letter. Or you could go to the Find dialog,
> tab
> to more, hit enter, and check the box to search for specific case, then
> search for lower-case chapter.
>
>>6. don't do any indenting, of any kind, ever. Said another way,
>>always
> remove all indenting from the scan. On p. 164, the chapter heading has a
> "First line indent". Don't remove individual instances of indenting.
> Instead, select the entire document and uncheck various indenting settings
> in the Paragraph dialog.
>
> Don't much know, don't much care.
>
> 7. as you probably know, the first lines at the beginning of each chapter
> often have paragraph marks that shouldn't be there. This is often because
> the very first letter of the very first word of a new chapter is a "drop
> cap", or a huge letter. After the text of Chapter 11 begins, the first 3
> paragraph marks should not be there.
>
> Don't much know, don't much care. Though I do try to make those first
> letters match up with the rest of the text, and delete extraneous blank
> lines above the first sentence.
>
>>8. There are several garbage characters in the first sentence of page
>>20,
> immediately after the words "three nights ago".
>
> Try searching for the usual suspects, like @ ~ \ etc.
>
> These last several are not big deals though.
>
> HTH.
> Tracy
>
>
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