[shell-coding] Re: [Common Elements] Just a thought
From: "Chris" <jugg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <shell-coding@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:54:23 -0500
> What I'd love to see is the day when the open source shells can be
> built with software that doesn't cost thousands of dollars unless you're
> eligible to one of the various discounts.
>
> If we want the shell scene to be open, I think that ought to include the
> compilers as well. Don't you agree?
Just thought I'd mention... PureLS now has a working MinGW build environment
that is compiling and actually runs. Thanks to the hard effort of grd.
Some other nice things coming along that will make PureLS a more "open" open
source shell, as in better access to it by other developers. Again, I'll
post about this on my site when I want to start being bugged about it.
Until then I'm simply just mentioning it here for this discussion.
In any case, I completely agree that there should be a greater push to make
sure open source software in windows be more accessible to the general coder
base. It would be nice if more thought this, but in all truth, the one
thing that MS does right (kinda) is their dev tools (vc++ 6) (I won't touch
.NET tho). You can't beat their debugger for dev'ing C/C++ under windows.
I pitty the person who codes blindly trying to track down a bug without a
debugger. So, while I'm doing my best to try to get my code available under
other compilers, I have no reason to use them myself. I think a good
command line build environment is good and necessary so one can grab source
that already compiles and build it, but for developing you have got to have
a useful set of debugging tools. There is no reason to have unstable code.
That comes from lazy and/or uneducated programming. Obviously we all start
learning some where though (I remember when I started with tasks.dll... ack!
Thanks Visigoth for teaching us all how to start using the debugger way back
when :P ).
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chris
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